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ANNOUNCER:  And now it's time for Mission Possible Radio with your hosts
Jon Baum and Mark Baran on Positive Talk 1390 WZHF.

Jon Baum: Welcome to Mission Possible Radio, my name is Jon Baum..

Mark Baran:  And I'm Mark Baran.

Jon Baum:  Both myself and Mark Baran are volunteers.  In this hour you
will learn about a sinister plot by the United States government in
collaboration with a major drug manufacturer Searle Pharmaceuticals
which was later bought by Monsanto, to unleash a very dangerous
addictive drug on the world's population which causes symptoms as mild
as migraine headaches to symptoms as serious as seizures, cancer,
blindness and death. 

This is real.  This is not the "X Files."  The drug in question is
aspartame and marketed as NutraSweet, Equal and Spoonful.  It is in
every so-called diet soft drink on the shelf.

In this hour and succeeding shows you will learn how Searle falsified
test results about the safety of aspartame, bought off prosecutors who
were supposed to prosecute them, they put in place a puppet as
Commissioner of the FDA who approved this aspartame drug above the
objections of the Scientific Boards of Inquiry. 

This is just one legacy of the Reagan administration which conservative
talk show hosts tout as the greatest growth period in our history.  But,
I ask you at what cost.  As you listen to us and drink your diet soda,
also wonder where those unexplained headaches, heart arythmias, joint
pains and neuropathies are coming from. 

How many thousands of dollars have you spent on doctor visits and been
misdiagnosed as multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, depression and
a host of other diseases. 

How many of you have had children with mild to severe birth defects, or
you or your children developed cancer for no apparent reason. 

How many of your friends have been struck with a strange illness or died
recently? 

How many of you have had eye problems such as cataracts or partial
blindness? 

Or were told by your doctor that you have diabetes with no family
history of such? 

Some of you are saying to yourself, "I use lots of aspartame--I don't
have any of these problems."  All we can say is, you probably will
eventually. 

The extra medical cost to the consumer are in the tens of billions.  The
cost to businesses in the form of increased medical costs, coupled with
loss of worker productivity is also in the tens of billions. 

The American Medical Association refuses to publish papers written by
experts such as Dr. H. J. Roberts.  Why should the AMA do anything, its
members are getting rich. 

Last week we welcomed Betty Martini who is Founder of Mission Possible. 
Betty informed us that the mission of Mission Possible it to educate the
public on the many hazards of aspartame.  It is a molecule composed of
aspartic acid, phenylalanine and methanol.  Once ingested, methanol,
which is wood alcohol that killed or blinded thousands of skid row
drunks, converts to formaldehyde, and then formic acid which is ant
sting poison.  Aspartic acid and phenylalanine are amino acids that must
not be isolated from protein because they pass through the blood brain
barrier and attack the neurons of the brain. The phenylalanine lowers
the seizure threshold of the brain and depletes serotonin and also
breaks down into DKP, a brain tumor agent.

She (Betty Martini) says this neurotoxin has tripled Alzheimer's and
says it is explained in "Defense Against Alzheimer's Disease," by H. J.
Roberts M.D.  And he is available by calling 1-800-814-9800, if you want
to order his book.  Memory loss is notorious with aspartame use.

Aspartame triggers ninety-two (92) symptoms from coma to death
acknowledged by the FDA and is not a diet products but makes you crave
carbohydrates. 

An American Airlines pilot who was a heavy user of aspartame recently
died in flight and he was not the first on this airline believed to have
died from this toxin.  Pilots are reporting seizures and blackouts and
other serious problems from the drug while the FAA says they can not do
a thing until the FDA does. 

The National Soft Drink Association wrote a thirty (30) page protest
against aspartame putting this drug in carbonated beverage. They
published in the Congressional Record May 7, 1985.  The reference is S
5507-S 5511. They said aspartame is inherently, Markedly and uniquely
unstable in aqueous media.  That means if you put it in water or any
fluid. 

In original studies, rats developed brain tumors and Dr. John Olney made
world news in 1996 about the public developing the same type of brain
tumor.

Mission Possible also posed twenty-six (26) questions to the FDA that
they have refused to answer.  Betty mentioned a pivotal study in which
monkeys who were fed aspartame developed grand mal seizures and one
died.  The FDA defends Monsanto, the manufacturers, as they would have
to explain why they have approved a poison for human consumption and
overruled their own Board of Inquiry who said not to do it. 

One study funded by Monsanto for Dr. Diana Dow Edwards on birth defects
proved the dangers so they withdrew their funding and she had to pay for
the study.  Then neither Monsanto nor the FDA would accept it.  The
message to the public is that if researchers don't say it is safe, then
the study will not be used. 

But diabetics and pregnant women worry Betty the most.  Diabetic
Specialist H. J. Roberts wrote an abstract of diabetic reactors to
aspartame for the American Diabetic Association.  Monsanto funds them so
they refused to publish it.  Later, it was published in clinical
research publication. Dr. Adrian Gross, the FDA's own toxicologist who
tried to stop the approval of aspartame testified before congress that
it violated the Delaney Amendment which states that you cannot put
something in a product that you know will cause cancer.  He says, "If
the FDA violates it's own laws, who is left to protect the public?" 

Betty believes Monsanto should be indicted for genocide.  Betty is back
here tonight and she can answer more questions for you.  If you have
access to the Internet, you can listen to last week's show as well as
this show with Real Audio.  You can either go to aspartame.com or
dorway.com and go to the link that says "Jim Turner Live." If you would
like a tape of last week's show, you can call 703-968-9434.  The cost is
$10.00. 

Today our guest is Dr. Roberts.  Dr. Roberts has declared aspartame
sickness a disease.  Betty Martini, the founder of Mission Possible
International is here today to introduce Dr. Roberts.

BETTY MARTINI: It is my pleasure to introduce tonight the world expert
on aspartame disease, Dr. H. J. Roberts. He's a board certified
internist and internationally known medical consultant and researcher.
He's listed in Who's Who in America, Who's Who in the World, Who's Who
in Science and Engineering and as one of the Best Doctors in the U.S. 
He's Director of the Palm Beach Institute for Medical Research since
1964 and a member of many prestigious medical and scientific
organizations including the Endocrine Society and the American Academy
of Neurology.  He has authored books on aspartame with two being
nominated for a Pulitzer. And he was selected by the editors of Practice
84 as the best doctor in the United States. The selection committee made
references to his acclaimed text which become a prime text for tens of
thousands of internists and students.  It was also published in Spanish
and Italian. Dr. Roberts earned his medical degree a few days after his
22nd birthday and in his first press conference on aspartame he stated
that if something wasn't done we might end up with a world-wide plague.
His prophecy has now been fulfilled and soon to be released is his new
medical text on the world wide epidemic of aspartame disease, I now give
you Dr. H. J. Roberts.

DR. ROBERTS: Yes, hello Betty, hello Jon.

BETTY MARTINI: Hello Dr. Roberts.

DR. ROBERTS: Hello Betty, Good Evening.

Mark Baran: Dr. Roberts, as I mentioned this is Mark Baran, will you
tell our listening audience what the components of aspartame, which is
NutraSeet and Equal are and why they are so dangerous. And also would
you tell us what symptoms would be expected to occur?

DR. ROBERTS: This artificial sweetener or supplement is artificial. The
chemical was initially devised as a possible drug to be used in the
treatment of peptic ulcer.  In about 1965 it accidently was found to be
sweet and the drug application was withdrawn, therefore, it is a drug,
it's not a natural or organic substance. And it's composed of three
essential components. Two are the so-called building blocks of protein,
they're amino acids, one is called phenylalanine and the other is
aspartic acid.  They are 50% and 40% of those in the molecule. The other
is a thing that is called methyl ester which as soon as it hits the
stomach becomes transformed into free methyl alcohol, or methanol, which
is a severe poison, unequivocal poison, which is not found that
frequently in nature.  So you have these 3 ingredients but there's more
to it than that. As the products containing this chemical, especially
the liquid products are stored and generally for more than 2 months or
exposed to heat they break down into variations of the components, so
called stereo isomers of the amino acids which are like mirror images
which in turn produces many other problems and other breakdown products
.  Especially a thing called diketopiperazine which may have something
to do with tumor formation and allergies. So that point is, that here is
a chemical that contains 3 ingredients, all of which can cause problems
and even more so with their breakdown products. Now, you say what
symptoms?  Well,  my registry now contains over 1200 people who are I
call, aspartame reactors.  They've had reactions to products containing
aspartame and basically it reads like a text book of medicine and these
are not haphazard reactions, there are certain very definite patterns in
the individuals themselves or in members of the families this tends to
run in families.  They have very comparable symptoms. Most strikingly
are the adverse reactions on the brain and the nervous system, for
various reasons having to do with these chemicals and many others which
I can talk about but it is almost like a textbook of medicine.  Well,
you say now how do you know? How do you define an aspartame reactor?
Well, these individuals either develop symptoms or had an aggravation of
their symptoms and problems after initiating these products, or
increasing the amount like aspartame-ed ice tea in the hot weather. And
they could not explain this, nor their physicians usually and then they
heard or read something about the fact that aspartame causes
difficulties and they stopped these preparations and the symptoms either
totally went away or became very much better but the most incriminating
and conclusive observation is that when these individuals resume taking
aspartame products whether knowingly, they say, "ah well, that was just
a coincidence, it went away," and they resumed it or inadvertently took
it as in visiting a neighbor and didn't realize what they were eating or
drinking contained it or when were exposed to it as in my laboratory in
a provocative sense, the same train of symptoms promptly came back so,
that's an overview of the problem.

Mark  Baran: By the way, if you've just tuned in we're talking to Dr. H.
J. Roberts and Betty Martini, I'm Mark Baran along with Jon Baum and by
the way we'd like to welcome our Internet listeners world wide, Jon, do
you want to give the Internet address please?

Jon Baum:  You can either go to aspartame.come or dorway.com and click
on the "hear Dr. Roberts live." On the aspartame.com it is on the top of
the page.

Mark Baran:  Dr. Roberts, since you're a diabetic specialist, can you
tell us what reactions your diabetic patients have experienced and why
aspartame is particularly dangerous in this group?

DR. ROBERTS:  Well, let me just one moment go back a little bit. These
observations, about symptoms, about causation, and the like, this is my
opinion based on more than a dozen years of active involvement in this
area to which I've devoted myself because, I consider this a so-called
imminent public health problem.

Mark Baran: Dr. Roberts, could you hold that thought, we have to take a
break and we'll be back in just a moment. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL)

Mark Baran:  Welcome back to Washington's all new Positive Talk 1390
WZHF, you're listening to Mission Possible Radio, I'm Mark Baran along
with Jon Baum.  We're talking with Dr. Roberts and Betty Martini, who is
the founder of Mission Possible International. Dr. Roberts we were
talking about the reactions about diabetic patients you've experienced
and why aspartame is particularly dangerous to this group.  Would you
like to continue with that please?

DR. ROBERTS: In my opinion, no diabetic patient or patients with so-
called hypoglycemia or blood sugar attacks with or without diabetes
should take these products and this is based upon my experience.  These
aspartame products can aggravate both diabetes and its complications,
particularly in the eye and the peripheral nerves or it may simulate the
complications in the eyes and the peripheral nerves by which I mean that
if a diabetic is having progressive visual difficulty or severe
neurologic symptoms it's almost a reflex of diabetes.  But when they
have other problems, such as headaches and others and they stop the
aspartame products, the vision or the neurologic symptoms generally
within a few days or a week or two will improve. Now if it were severe
diabetic retinopathy, that generally would not happen. As far as the
aggravation of the diabetes, this means they become more resistant to
taking insulin and require taking insulin in much higher doses.  Or if
they were on diets, they will then have to go on pills or insulin, or if
they're on pills, they may have to shift back to insulin.  Though I have
reviewed this at length, most of my colleagues may not agree with me and
that's fine. But in my experience this is what I've encountered, and
when they stopped these preparations they feel much better and often
they can severely reduce the dose of insulin again or even just go back
to diet or oral medication.

Jon Baum: Dr. Roberts, we know that Monsanto funds the American Diabetes
Association and the American Dietetic Association who endorses
aspartame
for diabetics, have you been in touch with them and what is their
response?

DR. ROBERTS:  Monsanto and NutraSweet have been in touch with me and as
far as the American Diabetes Association, years ago when I put my first
abstract about 58 diabetic patients who had severe reactions that I
subscribed to aspartame products for their annual meeting, I submitted
this abstract, which I felt was very important to present to the
National Association and they wouldn't even publish the abstract and as
far as the American Dietetic Association, they printed a paper, an
article by an FDA official saying that there was no relationship between
convulsions and aspartame and I sent 6 detailed page letter point by
point, pointing out that this was erroneous, there's no question that in
some individuals, many individuals, aspartame products can provoke
epilepsy, convulsions or if they're on medication such as dilantin or
others, it'll break through the protective effect of that medication. 
Well, the journal refused to publish that article which in turn I felt
was a big disservice to the readers of that publication. And if they
choose to obtain funds from corporate self-serving interests, well
that's up to them and that's not my statement but, I feel that this is a
disservice.

Mark Baran: Dr. Roberts, Dentist and Dental Associations who may not
have a lot of information on the dangers of aspartame have been telling
patients to use sugar free gum, could you tell us the effect of
aspartamed gum and the degree of danger?

DR. ROBERTS:  Well increasingly I'm impressed by the ability of the gum
to cause severe problems including convulsions and others. Because
amongst other things, these molecules can get directly into the system,
like a person taking nitroglycerine, under the tongue, but even more so,
there's a unique pathway that was described about 30 years ago of a
direct connection between the vessels in the back of the mouth that go
directly to the brain even by-passing the blood brain barrier so
therefore, I'm impressed by how little aspartame gum need be taken to
provoke either a severe headache or a convulsion or some of the other
features. And I don't think the dentists realize this.

Jon Baum: You know, you mentioned before that Monsanto had contacted
you?

DR. ROBERTS: Of course, the NutraSweet Company is a branch of Monsanto.
The medical director whom I happened to have known for over 50 years
contacted me and they have challenged me every inch of the way. In my
presentation to physicians at medical meetings and in articles that I've
written and so forth.

Jon Baum: And what is their rebuttal?

DR. ROBERTS:  They say what I say is nonsense, and I say that I was in
the trenches of clinical medicine to take care of people, or seeing them
in consultation where these associations that I've described before are
very clear cut and the people who have challenged me do not take care of
such patients.

Jon Baum: Now, do they have any scientific knowledge that it's not
negative to a person, that it doesn't affect anybody?

DR. ROBERTS: Well, their presumed scientific basis are presumed
scientific tests that are presumably so called double-blinded and
presumably are highly scientific studies but, they were all funded by
the industry and virtually all of them, in my careful analysis of them,
the research protocols, that means there was an introduction of error
and bias.  They were not studies and they did not test the real world
product.  Namely, you take a diet soda off the shelf, you don't know how
long it's been there, how long it's been stored and so forth so then the
patient says, well that's what gave me my convulsions or my rash and
headache and so forth, they don't give them that, they'll give them the
aspartame either in a capsule or as a freshly prepared drink in cold
water. That's not real world, so I have challenged most of the so-called
negative studies, whether dealing with a hyper irritability in children,
or headaches, convulsions and may of the other things. But
unfortunately, it is very difficult to get published.

Jon Baum:  Why is that Dr. Roberts?

DR. ROBERTS: Well, there are several reasons. First the reviewers to
whom these manuscripts are sent. If they're experts on this they're
probably consultants for the industry and may even have their own
granting from the industry and secondly you're dealing with billion
dollar industries and there are a number of other aspects. Now this is
not intended to sound like sour grapes, it's a reality.

Mark Baran: Dr. Roberts, hold your thought on that cause I want to get
back to that in just one minute. We'll be back in just a minute. You are
listening to Mission Possible Radio on 1390 AM Positive Talk Radio.

Jon Baum: If you want to call in the number is 703-534-1390.

(COMMERCIAL)

Mark Baran: Welcome Back to Mission Possible Radio, I'm Mark Baran along
with Jon Baum and our guest today is Dr. Roberts and Betty Martini, the
international founder of Mission Possible.  We have a call from
Louisiana from Charmelle. Charmelle, go right ahead.

Jon Baum: Charmelle, you have a question for Dr. Roberts?

Charmelle: Yes its true that the class action suits have begun. My
question is this, if a person wants to get in on the class action suit
is it Dr. Roberts that could possibly answer some questions for us or
should we perhaps just talk with an attorney? What it is, is concerning
my brother. Dr. Louis Elsas was the doctor that, the only person in the
80's that believed me when I was seeking help for him. Are you there?

Jon Baum: Yes we are.  O.K. Betty, can you hear that?

BETTY MARTINI:  Well, I think what she's talking about is Dr. Elsas who
helped her. He is a pediatric professor of genetics at Emory University.
He testified before congress that aspartame is a neurotoxin and a
tetragon that triggers birth defects and Dr. Roberts knows Dr. Elsas and
it is hard to hear, we seem to have a bad connection.

CHARMELLE: If you want to hold just one minute I may be able to correct
that.

CHARMELLE:  Can you heard me any better?

DR. ROBERTS & BETTY MARTINI:  Yes.
CHARMELLE:  O.K. What it is, my brother is the reason that I was
contacting someone. I continued to contact FDA in the 80s and no one
would believe me, I could tell that my brother was addicted to diet
drinks and I couldn't get anyone to believe me and he was having so many
problems that we could tell that he had to have them, and I had read at
that time that there was an alcohol that could be made in the containers
if they were heated, I know that this was made in the body, and I didn't
have any technical information on it but I had read this and I kept
searching and finally I found Dr. Elsas' name and he did believe me.
When I called him at Emory, he believed me and he took the time to write
to me, he explained his work, working with the brain damage in babies
that had taken in aspartame and he understood our quick reaction. See my
bother didn't react quickly to it the way we did an I assume now it was
a cumulative affect, is what was happening to him, and this was in the
middle 80s. See this had been on the Market since the early 80s and by
the middle 80s he had taken this in for quite some time and he was
really, really having problems from it. I could tell that, and I could
tell that he could not do without the diet drinks. so, I continued to
contact FDA and they continued to tell me that the only evidence they
had of any problems with aspartame was short term memory loss. They
continued to tell me that each time I contacted them they said that the
only evidence we have of any problem with aspartame is short term memory
loss and I continued to tell them that our reactions in our household
was very quick, it wasn't anything I would say referring to memory loss,
that we had terrible migraines, we had stomach upset, we had blurred
vision and we had a feeling of a heavy head for several days following
the so-called migraine. Well, they just kept saying that they didn't
think that this was connected to the Nutrasweet that we were taking in
so I just decided to try to find some professional and somewhere I
stumbled across Dr. Elsas name. And I called him. Dr. Elsas told me he
really understood our quick reactions and actually it was really good
that we reacted so quickly in our household but he could understand that
there were some people like my brother who didn't react as quickly but
that he did believe me when I said that he had to have those diet
drinks. I could tell he was addicted to them. And he spoke something
about the phenylalanine levels, that it would be good at that time if we
could find a lab that would do some blood work on him perhaps to check
for the phenylalanine level and of course as I made calls about this, no
one would even know what I was talking about, so it became quite a hard
thing to do to get someone to even listen to me at that time. But Dr.
Elsas took the time to write a letter to me.

Jon Baum - Charmelle, why don't we let Betty talk about this, Betty?

CHARMELLE:  O.K. maybe Betty can answer one question because my brother
just decided to ask me what did I think it would take him to get in on a
suit? And you know he's never done that prior to us talking about it,
because all of this has just been so painful.

BETTY:  Charmelle, are we connected.

Jon Baum:  I think she just dropped off Betty.

BETTY:  Let me just quickly answer that, is that, the FDA first of all
knows better.  They list themselves 92 documented symptoms and they are
listed on the DORWAY website, and we had to get them through Freedom of
Information and yes, aspartame is a very addictive drug many people have
withdrawal symptoms when they get off of it and I'm going to hand this
to Dr. Roberts who can tell you that also is has an effect on brain
chemistry and interacts with other drugs, which is one of the problems.
Dr Roberts, are you there?

DR. ROBERTS: Yes, well of course I deal with the question daily
especially in the analysis of my large data base now at 1200 individuals
with reference to the addiction, of course in medicine the classic
feeling of addiction is the withdrawal symptoms and these individuals
for days or weeks or even longer have terrible withdrawal symptoms. I've
had patients who were alcoholics previously and then were using this and
they say that their withdrawal symptoms after stopping aspartame were
worse than after stopping alcohol. With reference to the memory loss, I
think you ought to be aware of my book, on the prevention of Alzheimer's
Disease in which I spend a considerable time pointing out the interest
with the confusion and memory loss and other brain changes that are
associated with aspartame. The book is called "Defense Against
Alzheimer's Disease" and not only with this but with my other things
there's an 800 number for the publisher if any of the audience wanted
any of the titles about aspartame and Alzheimer's and Jon or Mark if you
want I could give you the 800 number.

Mark Baran: That'd be great.

DR. ROBERTS: It's 1-800-814-9800

Mark Baran: Great.

DR. ROBERTS: Now in my opinion, let me go back, I've seen many many
business and professional persons in their 30s and 40s coming in for
consultation because they thought they were having early Alzheimer's. 
They were terribly confused, memory was a problem, they got lost driving
in their own neighborhood and the like, but they had other symptoms of
aspartame disease, when they stopped it, fortunately in most of them
their memory improved considerably. In my opinion, for various reasons
described in the book, especially the nature of the changes that occur
in the brain in Alzheimer's, I believe that aspartame products are
accelerating the rate of Alzheimer's Disease.  It takes 20 to 30 years
to develop the severe confusion, and the dementia, after you can see the
initial changes in the brain in Alzheimer's Disease.  It doesn't occur
right way, it takes 20 to 30 years. Now I have a strong feeling that
aspartame products and other neurotoxins can accelerate this. So, yes
there is an addiction in my opinion based upon the number of persons to
aspartame products and yes aspartame products can cause not only short
term but long term confusion and memory loss.

Mark Baran:  Charmelle, I hope that answers your questions somewhat, I
know we got cut off here, Jon maybe you can give an address where
Charmelle can get back to us so we can try to respond to her.

Jon Baum:  Charmelle, why don't you access us obviously you're on the
Internet listening to us, if you want to access aspartame.com and I
believe you wanted a name of an attorney.

BETTY MARTINI: Incidental, I might mention two people who have filed
lawsuits had to write instructions to get themselves back home their
memory loss was so bad. And we're getting this constantly as case
histories come in that the memory loss degree and Alzheimer's has
tripled. Incidentally just recently and the Alzheimer Association
themselves have admitted that 50% of all patients now in nursing homes
even mature baby boomers have aspartame, are in there because of
Alzheimer's and I do recommend Dr. Roberts book highly which explains
you know, in his opinion, why he believes this is escalating the disease
because this is a 20th century disease.

Jon Baum: Again, thank you, again if you want to call in on this program
it's area code 713-534-5390 and we're also being simulcast on the
Internet and we'll be back in just a few minutes.  And we're going to be
talking more about why people are so disabled from aspartame. So, we'll
be back in just a minute on WZHF 1390 Positive Talk radio.

Jon Baum:  And we'll be talking about how you can detox your body from
it.

(COMMERCIAL)

Jon Baum: Welcome back to Mission Possible Radio, Charmelle got back in
with us and she has a quick question for Dr. Roberts, Charmelle?

CHARMELLE: Yes.

Jon Baum:  O.K. Do you want to ask your question for Dr. Roberts here?

CHARMELLE:  The questions I'd like to ask is, first let me make a
statement and say that the day that I had received the letter from Dr.
Elsas, and this is approximately 1986, my son had come in from a class
at LSU, it was a biology class on the LSU campus and my son saw the
letter from Dr. Elsas on the kitchen counter and he said I can't believe
that you got this letter, he said, in my biology class where our
professor in that class, who's also in insulin research is furious that
aspartame should have been allowed to be Marketed, that FDA should have
never given its approval and I said, well, what did he have to say about
it? And this is what I was just going to ask if Dr. Roberts could
possibly elaborate on this, he said that the phenylalanine that they
were putting into aspartame is an amino acid that should have never been
isolated and taken from the others that help to balance it, that it
should never have been used without the other amino acids, that this was
dangerous, that he said that the professor had told him that he felt
that the Marketing of aspartame and the use of phenylalanine the way
they were allowing it to be used would keep psychiatrists and
psychiatric hospitals rich. Now that's what my son said was told to them
in their biology class.

Mark Baran: O.K. Dr. Roberts, can you respond to that please?

DR. ROBERTS:  The biology teacher was absolutely right. It's my strong
belief it should never have been approved for human use. Especially
after the objections by the FDA scientists and by the consultants for
the general accounting office by the Public Board of Inquiry and
especially relative to the high incidence of brain tumors in
experimental animals in the rats and so on, and that should have kicked
in the so-called Delaney Amendment. That if something causes tumors in
animals it should not be used or released for human use. Now, as far as
the phenylalanine, the aspartame company, the NutraSweet company says
its the highest producer and manufacturer of phenylalanine in the world.
Now there's about 4% maybe 5% phenylalanine in protein that we eat, 4 or
5%. Not 50% as in the case of aspartame and the professor was quite
right, that the body is used to ingesting and metabolizing and absorbing
these amino acids in conjunction with one another. Not as isolated large
amounts of these amino acids that is, in the case of phenylalanine, just
gets promptly into the system and floods the brain and very unique to
phenylalanine is that it could cross the blood brain barrier and get
into the brain preferentially much faster than other amino acids and
then go to work and compete at nerve endings in the brain and of the
pituitary or the neurotransmitters and gum up that. So, he was quite
right, that those large amounts of phenylalanine pose, well they call
them molecular Auschwitz, that's the word, or expression, and that's
part of the way in which it causes difficulty in turn, the
phenylalanine, and some of the other amino acids kick up a large amount
of insulin and growth hormone and so forth and the body is not used to
this. Biologically, we cannot adapt that quickly to what the food
technologists are now giving us in the form of these newer chemicals.

Mark Baran: Maybe Betty and Dr. Roberts could answer this next question.
Many people are so disabled from aspartame they don't know what to do to
return to good health.  Can you give us some suggestions that might help
these patients and also tell them what alternatives are available.

DR. ROBERTS: First they have to stop aspartame products but they have to
be certain they're not taking it like we talked about with gum, and I've
had a number of patients who have been taking preparations that contain
aspartame, they didn't know about it, such as for example some of the
preparations that is for treating constipation. And I only found out
about it when the pharmacist, or the patient called to refill the
product that contained aspartame so first they've got to be certain
they're off it.  And secondly they have to be certain they are not
taking other things that may work in conjunction with the aspartame in
so-called cross sensitivity and particularly MSG, monosodium glutamate.
And I gave a presentation for the FDA in the Washington area a couple of
years ago showing that people with a sensitivity to aspartame also
become sensitive to MSG and visa versa, and especially in the case of
people who have convulsions. So, they ought to be careful to stay away
from other neurotoxins and in my book on Alzheimer's, I go into this.
They should drink plenty of water without contaminants, they should
follow other proper dietary measures especially if they have a tendency
to low blood sugar attacks, they should not go too long without eating
and so forth. And of course, there's a big thing about detoxification
and in taking antioxidants and vitamins and minerals. You have to be
very careful about this because there is so much hype out there this
commercial hype, that you have to be careful.  For example, there is far
too much vitamin E being consumed by the American public, mega doses. 
Now I consider anything above 150 to 200 to be a mega dose.  There are
people taking 400 or 800 or more units daily and presumably to detoxify,
to have antioxidants, destroy the nasty free radicals and so forth, a
lot of that is nonsense, in the human context and they have to be
careful with the minimum that they're not taking as pointed out before,
like phenylalanine. You'd be surprised it's in there so, these are just
a few thoughts and Betty is just great and Betty has got all sorts of
other fabulous information that she comes up with so Betty, you can talk
about this.

BETTY MARTINI:  Well, this is one problem that we really are having
because some people have been on it so long they're really very toxic. I
know that Dr. Cabot has come up with a book called "Recipes for Liver
Detoxification." But, what Dr. Roberts is saying is that there's so much
of this poison out there, a woman called in and said that when her child
got sick that it was in augmentin and Pedialyte. You'd have to call your
pharmacist on even antibiotics. There are so many products that you
would have no idea you could get something like Cherry Alka-Seltzer and
it would not even be on the box. It might be on the insert and if you
got a magnifying class and could read it but, Dr. Roberts is right, you
have to drink a lot of water, you have to cleanse the body and it's not
very easy. Newton Laboratories come up with an antidote that is also on
the dorway web-site. and we ask anybody who has detoxification recipes
or suggestions that are physicians to let us have them.

Mark Baran: Excuse me Betty, we only have a few seconds left, Dr.
Roberts, do you want to say anything before we cut off here? Betty?

DR. ROBERTS: Well, I appreciate the invitation and individuals
interested in my books and tapes on this subject which obviously we
can't go into at great length here should call that 800 number or get in
touch with Betty.

Jon Baum:  Thank you very much Dr. Roberts and for everybody else I want
to thank you for tuning in, all of our Internet listeners, we need you
on he air, we need you sending us E-mails and responding to us, again
thank you very much.

Mark Baran:  Thank you Betty we always enjoy having you on the show and
we expect to have you back as often as we can so, thanks again everybody
and we will see you soon.

Jon Baum:  See you next week, same time, same station.

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